i mean, it was just the opposites of john mccain, in the mccain debate, obama was looking mccain in the eye and mccain looking down or out at the crowd. very different in terms of the body language. on substance, romney was very knowledgeable, across the board, every question and was willing to take the president on. i don't think he is used to that? >> now, it's possible that obama realized what romney was doing and that's what troubled him. and if you step back a little bit, what romney did... he present aid theory of the case for being president. his theory is, whether you would agree with this -- a lot of people would disagree with it -- let's get the government out of your life as much as possible, less taxes, less regulation, less government spending. the second thing did, which was really important, he said, look, i have a history of bipartisan cooperation. i worked with democrats. i did this in massachusetts. if you talk to democrats in massachusetts, they say romney was a very good governor, that they could work with him. maybe obama saw this because the significance of the las